Why Babylon the Great is not Apostate Christianity or the Pope

    RobertLeeRE-Here is a discussion I participated in on Xanga about 5 years ago about the False Prophets and their preaching hate and how Babylon the Great is some form of Apostate Christianity. They might say it is Cathlocism or in the case of the Jehovah Witnesses claiming everyone but them has the special key,that if you are not part of their particular group you are part of Apostate Christianity, not saved, which they also call Babylon the Great. the most common sects of Christianity  and what some say are the cults out side Christianity all with these similar type of claims, Jehovah witnesses, Armstrongism, Seventh Day Adventists. Some of the Armstrongism have changed their names to hide who they are and can be classified into a huge following called the KIngdom of Yaweh. There names change a little over the years but the two things they all have in common; They all follow teh doctrine of the Judaisers and they ignore the pauline Epistles which teach salvation is by grace only, no works required.  When looking in the bible using Revelation 18:1-24 clearly no world religion fits the definition, rather Babylon the great fits only one nation and that is America

                                Babylon The Great, America

                       Cityscape 04        .I have been stirring up trouble again on Xanga. I do not mean to.  I just cannot let it pass when someone teaches things that are unscriptural on Xanga in the body of Christ.  These things come up forcing me to apologetically defend the warnings of the Time of the End God has clearly given the Christ followers so they can wake up to put on their wedding garments to watch and be ready.

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Hi, Robert… I once theorized to myself America was Babylon but Revelation 18:24 convinced me otherwise. 

“And in her was found the blood of prophets and of Saints and of all who have been slain on the earth.” (NASB) 

That cannot be said of America alone…now it is possible that America is part of it but not the whole.  I will concede that we as a nation have sinned before God and if perhaps that had not been part of the description I would be tempted to agree with you.  Blessings, Mr. Vee

Posted 9/8/2008  12:19 AM by veritas_verbatim


 

 

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@veritas_verbatim-Yes, we have discussed this before.  A minor thing in the mountain of evidence for America being Babylon the Great, http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549812219/item.html, and http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549815180/item.html, and http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549814208/item.html, and Abraham Lincoln’s quote http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/550576301/item.html.  north_americaWhen you read the rest of verse 24 that you quoted it ends with, “and all who have been killed on the earth.”  This statement by itself illuminates the fact that we are dealing with a kingdom that has been there since the beginning and manipulated by Satan himself, called the king of Babylon, Isaiah 14:3, a morning star that fell from heaven, Isaiah 14:12, that G-d will not allow to cover the earth with his cities and towers, Isaiah 14:21, but will give this right to the saints only to possess forever and ever, Daniel 7:18.  Now since Satan himself is the king of Babylon for all generations, Isaiah 14:4 an everlasting kingdom that rules the earth wherever mankind lives, Daniel 2:38, it is not a stretch to say, “In Babylon the Great, America was found , “The blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on earth.”  T03506This is why all the kingdoms in the statue and even the head of gold is Babylon, Daniel 2:38 and different forms of Babylonian kingdoms, but all still Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar called by God and Daniel the king of kings, Daniel 2:37, whoseTwin Towers Fall kingdom at the end of time will be judged by fire by God in one day one hour, Revelation 18:1-24.  It is important to understand, that although America is Babylon the Great, Babylon itself is a system of city building and worshipping the gods of Babylon,  of false gods, of images, Isaiah 21:9, false gods of gold, silver, bronze, Iron, wood and stone, Daniel 5:23; 5:4. These gods are what are used to build a materialistic greedy atheistic city building empire, “Oh arrogant one,”  is the name G-d gave to Babylon the Great, America, Jeremiah 50:51, and the mystery of who she is known by studying what happened in the beginning of biblical history, Genesis 11:1-8,  for God reveals the end in the beginning, Isaiah 46:10.    City building that has occurred since the Tower of Babel, Genesis 11:1-9, the first thing to happen after the last judgement by God. Blessing and peace back to you brother!
What I cannot understand is why you never commented back.  It is now the 26th of October and you still have not given an answer to the mountain of evidence I gave you for why Babylon the Great is America.  I guess you cannot defend your position or you would have.
Here is another comment from someone with a similar common view I am sure you have all heard.  This view is indefensible scripturally which is why these people always run away never to quote scripture and always quoting some slanderous statement from some man somewhere at sometime in history.
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As some of your com mentors echoed. I agree with them and your article.Consider this who is the great prostitute of the Bible?
The Romanish Church ( has been accused of this for centuries)- what other religious system is on 7 hills – she took over where Rome left off.What did she have?
Daughters! Denominations. So what does that make denominations – part of the Antichrist system. Note most even so called non-denominational behave as denominations – not in their group, your not in the true kingdom.Ministers in those churches better preach their church doctrine or they are out.
Posted 9/26/2008 11:11 AM by eagleendtimeXanga Premium Memberreply at this link on Bernie’s  blog http://www.xanga.com/bwebbjr/675751870/echoes-of-a-false-kingdom-.html
My Response to  eagleendtime
The evidence of Babylon the Great being the Romanish Mother of Prostitutes just isn’t there.  If it is there it is scant at best.  It is exactly this type of interdenominational slander and bickering that separates us into denominational groups that are weakened and divided, to allow the real Antichrist nations, Islam, to overtake us while we are sleeping.  Revelations 17:4, Three words are all typically used for your outdated, but extremely common,  interpretation that a Romanish church is the great Mother of Prostitutes.  Revelation 17:9, This line of interpretation typically states that since this great Mother of Prostitutes sits on the seven hills–this is Rome–this is the church that runs Rome.  The rest of the interpretation of Revelation 17:9 says the seven hills are seven kings.  Now it is not a stretch to assume this is a prophesied time of the Time of the End also spoken by Daniel 12:13 in which the angel tells Daniel to go his way for the meaning and interpretation of the visions of the Time of the End are sealed till that time is upon mankind.  Your interpretation can be traced historically all the way back to the time of Jerome and parts thereof, to right after the Apostle John, yet G-d said through his angel the interpretation was sealed until the end.  Why did G-d seal the interpretation?  It was sealed so the interpretation itself would not change YRL6NfQXGyI13hes2yJW3bOVqspkb3GI00A0history, people would not know who the great Mother of Prostitutes was until the end was upon them.  The end is now upon us and the great Mother of Prostitutes is revealed here today.  Revelation 17:9 says the seven hills are seven kings, with ten horns,  but also a beast this great Mother of Prostitutes steers and rides covered with blasphemous names, in a great desert of the earth, the Antichrist Islamic nations, see this short sermon with many sermon links http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/550588261/item.html.  For the Antichrist nations are not coming from the European Union, United Nations, but the Islamic Nations in the middle east where the kings are, where blasphemies against G-d and his Son J-sus Chr-st are a way of life, http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549813182/item.html  But her fall while in the great desert will come in one day and one hour as plagues of fire, smoke, sulfur, foreigners, see this sermon http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549815180/item.html.  Before you follow what you heard taught somewhere I would just encourage you to consider the scriptural evidence.  The great Mother of Prostitutes Babylon the Great is America, and scripture that supports this is substantial. Revelation 17:1, 17:15, 17:4 She will be the richest consumer nation of the earth surrounded by the more bodies of water then any nation on earth, see my sermon pondering this very question, http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/564206250/item.html, and this short sermon, http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/664510015/item.html.  When reading the description of her during her fall it describes America exactly, Revelation 18:1-24, Jeremiah chapters 50 &51.  Babylon is a kingdom ruled by an invisible king Satan, Isaiah 14:12-13, that attempts to cover the earth with her city based unbridled materialism and wealth, Isaiah 14:21.  To understand all prophecy you must understand what is in the center of prophecy, invisible king Satan, Babel=>Babylon=>to the fall of Babylon the Great America, see this sermon http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/549812797/item.html .  For the first city since the flood of this Mother of Prostitutes was seen long before Rome existed, Genesis 11:1-8, but yet a refuge that G-d places mankind and the birds and beasts wherever they are so they may be fed, Daniel 2:38, so a kingdom with an invisible king Satan that rules until the time of the end, Isaiah 14:12-13.  Even Abraham Lincoln stated to the preacher he was concerned that preachers in America were straying off the path, concerned if G-d was with America, http://www.xanga.com/RobertLeeRE/550576301/item.html  Any interpretation before the time of the end is cursed to be wrong, Daniel 12:13. The spread of the materialism is throughout the earth into all kingdoms causing one kingdom to want to enslave and exploit other kingdoms for profit and gain, so this great Mother of Prostitutes, Babylon the Great, final precipitation in America, is responsible for all wars and killings on the earth including the blood of the prophets and Saints of the earth, Revelation 18:24, that Satan started in the beginning leading to worldwide debauchery so G-d brought the solution of the flood, also limiting Satan’s dominion, Genesis 6:1-3, but Satan started again by building his first city, Genesis 11:1-8, for Satan rules this kingdom of Babylon the Great America as an invisible king, Isaiah 14:12-14, with the goal of covering the earth with his cities, Isaiah 14:21.  These interpretations are tried and true so read and consider them carefully. 
So what do you think readers, did I scriptural defend my prophetic views, if not please leave your scriptural evidence.
Here are two more comments from eagleendtime made on Bernie’s site at this link:
http://www.xanga.com/bwebbjr/673176423/american-prophets–or-history-repeats-itself.html
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Have you ever read Hislop’s Two Babylons?

Posted 9/26/2008 4:17 PM by eagleendtime Xanga Premium Memberreply

eagleendtime,
Do you mean Alexander Hislop, the false prophet and fraudulent slanderer of the Catholic church according to one of his own executive ministers, Ralph Woodrow?  Ralph Woodrow was one of Alexander Hislop’s most ardent followers, even writing a book spreading the same slander, until he started actually checking the references and quotes of Hislop. Being a history teacher and scholar he started checking the accuracy of Hislop’s cited claims being dismayed at the inaccuracies and slander of Hislop recanted the claims he made in his own book, Babylon Mystery Religion.  Eventually he decided to take this book out of print for that very reason, then writing a new book called “The Babylon Connection?”   He wrote this to further explain and refute Hislop’s (and his own) mistaken ideas and outlandish claims. Woodrow had now become a critic of Hislop’s ‘pagan’ theories. I gleamed some information on Wikipedia, in public domain per Wikipedia’s terms on this issue, from this link, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Babylons#Criticism. Here is a quote from Ralph Woodrow, former ardent follower & Minister’s book:
My original book had some valuable information in it. But it also contained certain teachings that were made popular in a book many years ago, THE TWO BABYLONS, by Alexander Hislop. This book claims that the very religion of ancient Babylon, under the leadership of Nimrod and his wife, was later disguised with Christian-sounding names, becoming the Roman Catholic Church. Thus, two “Babylons”—one ancient and one modern. Proof for this is sought by citing numerous similarities in paganism. The problem with this method is this: in many cases there is no connection.
Mr. Woodrow went to the original source documents finding analogies, links, and suppositions that Hislop had made were strained and unfounded.

Because Hislop wrote in the mid-1800s the books he refers to or quotes are now quite old. I made considerable effort to find these old books and to check Hislop’s references; books such as Layards Nineveh and Its Remains, Kitto‘s Cyclopeidia of Biblical Literature, Wilkinson‘s Ancient Egyptians, as well as old editions of Pausanias, Pliny, Tacitus, Herodotus and many more. When I checked his footnote references, in numerous cases I discovered they do not support his claims.

As I did this [research], it became clear-Hislop’s “history” was often only mythology… an arbitrary piecing together of ancient myths can not provide a sound basis for history. Take enough tribes, enough tales, enough time, jump from one time to another, from one country to another, pick and choose similarities-why anything could be “proved”!

Woodrow also shows how Hislop’s creative numerology (which he describes as no more than mere superstition) could be used to make almost any name ‘add up’ to the mark of the beast, including the name “The Rev Alexander Hislop.”

While seeking to condemn the paganism of Roman Catholicism, Hislop produced his own myths. Hislop theorized that Nimrod, Adonis, Apollo, Attes, Ball-zebub, Bacchus, Cupid, Dagon, Hercules, Januis, Linus, Lucifer, Mars, Merodach, Thithra, Molock, Narcissus, Oannes, Oden, Orion, Osiris, Pluto, Saturn, Teitan, Typhon, Vulcan, Wodan, and Zoraster were all one and the same. By mixing myths, Hislop supposed that Semiramis was the wife of Nimrod and was the same as Aphrodite, Artemis, Astarte, Aurora, Bellona, Ceres, Diana, Easter, Irene, Iris, Juno, Mylitta, Proserpine, Rhea, Venus, and Vesta.

Hislop taught that Tammuz (whom he says was Nimrod) was born on December 25, and that this is the origin of the date on which Christmas is observed. Yet his supposed proof for this is taken out of context. Having taught that Isis and her infant son Hours were the Egyptian version of Semiramis and her son Tammuz he cites a reference that the son of Isis was born “about the time of the winter solstice.” When we actually look up the reference he gives for this (Wilkinson’s Ancient Egyptians, vol. 4, 405), the son of Isis who was born “about the time of the winter solstice was not Hours, her older son, but Harpocrates. The reference also explains this was a premature birth, causing him to be lame, and that the Egyptians celebrated the feast of his mother’s delivery in spring. Taken in context, this has nothing to do with a December celebration or with Christmas as it is known today.

The subtitle for Hislop’s book is “The Papal Worship Proved to Be the Worship of Nimrod and His Wife.” Yet when I went to refer­ence works such as the Encyclopedia Britannica, The Americana, The Jewish Encyclopedia, The Catholic Encyclopedia, The Worldbook Encyclopedia – carefully reading their articles on “Nimrod” and “Semiramis” — not one said anything about Nimrod and Semiramis being husband and wife. They did not even live in the same century. Nor is there any basis for Semiramis being the mother of Tammuz. I realized these ideas were all Hislop’s inventions.

In another appeal to Wilkinson, Hislop says that a Lent of 40 days was observed in Egypt (which Roman Catholicism celebrates) . But when we look up the reference, Wilkinson says Egyptian fasts “lasted for seven to forty-two days, and sometimes even a longer period: during which time they abstained entirely from animal food, from herbs and vegetables, and above all from the indulgence of the passions” (Wilkinson, Ancient Egyptians vol. 1, 278) With as much credibility, we could say they fasted 7 days, 10 days, 12 days, or 42 days. Hislop’s claim appears to have validity only because he used partial information.

If we based claims on partial information, we could even prove from the Bible there is not God: “…’There is no God’” (Ps. 14:1). When the entire statement is read, however, it has a different meaning: “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’”


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Here is another thought that very few people like to acknowledge:
It has been the religious that has persecuted the righteous.

Cain was religious – he did worship God – he killed righteous Abel
The Pharisees indirectly through Pilate killed the the righteous Jesus
Paul’s main persecutors where the religious
The Romanish church down through the Dark Ages put millions to Death: like Huss, Joan of Arc, St. Partrick’s followers, to name a few. They tried to get Martin Luther but failed. Note: the protestant churches weren’t guiltless either Calvin caused a good man to get killed. Methodists had John Smith murdered.

Can a leopard change it’s spots? It’s nature? No. And neither can Rome nor her daughters change their nature. They will still kill, and kill they will before the end.

The scriptures are very clear on who the Whore is: and crys out ‘Come out of her my people’

Posted 9/26/2008 5:06 PM by eagleendtimeXanga Premium Memberreply
eagleendtime,
                        I now know where all this anti-catholic bigotry came from, Hislop!  You sir are following a false prophet.  You are following man’s words, Hislop’s to be specific.
Instead of debating man’s words doesn’t it make more sense to discuss G-d’s words and what is written in the bible?  I just wish to pray that G-d removes this bigotry from your heart and you can see the real enemy hear, man’s words being added to G-d’s words, in other words following a false prophet. Hislop is a false prophet that has been adding words to the bible and your very salvation might be endangered if you do not heed the words of G-d by starting to read your bible more then man’s words. 
                                                         Revelation 22:18-19 NIV
“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”
Okay eagleendtime, you gave it your best shot for your world view on prophecy.  Normally I do not discuss man’s words but require all issues related to truth to give scriptural evidence for their claims.  What is your scriptural evidence for your thinking the great whore is the Catholic church, what, specifically are your scriptures stating, indicating & supporting your slanderous claims against your brothers and sisters in Christ?  
I gleamed this info from this link on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Babylons#Criticism.    I would recommend two books to get both sides to this issue.  The first being Hislop’s book “The Two Babylons,”  and the book written by one of his most ardent Minister Ralph Woodrow called, “The Babylon Connection?”  The price for each used online are reasonable at about 8-$14 each.   This information is public domain according to Wikipedia All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. (See Copyrights for details.) 

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I am a prolific writer and interpreter of biblical prophecy for today's generations of Christians. I also am a witness of God's soon coming judgment of the city of man, the best man could build, Babylon the Great, now known to be America, that will fall in one day, one hour as breathed through the Evangelist Apostle John, clearly described Revelation 18:1-24. I also am witness to the Beast rising in the Middle East known as Islam, whom the Antichrist will rise through, as a Beast Man, known as the 12th Mahdi, will usher in uncontrolled world nuclear proliferation as clearly described by the prophet Joel 2:1-11, breathed through John the Apostle in Revelation 9:13-21, but one of the three unholy trinity kings Beasts, two of which are men, that emerge just east of the Euphrates River, where Islam rules, also where the four Fallen Angels were released that were bound at this same Euphrates River, Revelation 9:13-21, whom were responsible for the plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that kills 1/3rd of mankind. We witnesses that support this ministry, drinking at this trough, are not prophets, but witnesses pointing to God's truth in the love letter he wrote for all mankind to see.


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I am a prolific writer and interpreter of biblical prophecy for today's generations of Christians. I also am a witness of God's soon coming judgment of the city of man, the best man could build, Babylon the Great, now known to be America, that will fall in one day, one hour as breathed through the Evangelist Apostle John, clearly described Revelation 18:1-24. I also am witness to the Beast rising in the Middle East known as Islam, whom the Antichrist will rise through, as a Beast Man, known as the 12th Mahdi, will usher in uncontrolled world nuclear proliferation as clearly described by the prophet Joel 2:1-11, breathed through John the Apostle in Revelation 9:13-21, but one of the three unholy trinity kings Beasts, two of which are men, that emerge just east of the Euphrates River, where Islam rules, also where the four Fallen Angels were released that were bound at this same Euphrates River, Revelation 9:13-21, whom were responsible for the plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that kills 1/3rd of mankind. We witnesses that support this ministry, drinking at this trough, are not prophets, but witnesses pointing to God's truth in the love letter he wrote for all mankind to see.

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